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Post by grungyboy on Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:05 pm

Here is an interview with Okada and Tamamura, some of the people behind SF4 discussing the changes they made for SSF4

-- What kind of adjustments are being made this time around for SSFIV?

Okada:
First, we decided to stick with the idea of keeping whatever was possible in SFIV intact. For balancing a fighting game, there are two different possibilities - make the moves of the stronger characters less effective (nerf) or to make the moves of the weaker characters more effective (buff). Going the route of buffing the weaker characters moves makes for more difficult adjustments, but as we didn't want our players to feel stressed out, we decided to go with buffing the weaker characters for SSFIV.

-- Will we still be able to do combos and such that were possible in SFIV?

Okada:
Yes. As long as leaving it in wasn't too dangerous, we've been making our adjustments while leaving in combos that were possible in SFIV. We had decided on this at the very beginning of development.

-- What kind of adjustments are being made for the characters who are said to be too strong?

Okada:
If we're talking about strong characters, that would be Sagat right? Before making adjustments, we asked for the opinions of people who play Sagat. We found that, more than using him just because he was strong, that there were a lot of people who enjoyed playing the character. So we have been making adjustments while trying to preserve that sense of enjoyment. Sagat has the infamous Tiger Uppercut FADC Tiger Destruction Ultra combo, as well as many other powerful tools. So we're not trying to take away all of his powerful tools, but just look carefully look at what we can retain and then make adjustments from there.


-- So that means that the feel of playing Sagat won't really change in SSFIV?

Okada:
To a point, it will be really close to how it was in SFIV. Of course, there will be adjustments made to his move's damage output and effectiveness, so it won't be exactly the same as SFIV. But it is our intention to keep as much as possible of the play of Sagat that players found fun and interesting.

Tamamura:
Also, I don't think that there will be any instances where you feel that a move has become really nerfed from the previous game. Not just the moves, we are also looking at things like vitality and stun values.

-- Zangief was also pretty strong.

Okada:
In SFIV, when Zangief did a Double Lariat against larger characters, really the only thing they could do was to block it. For example, maybe Abel players aren't too fond of the matchup against Zangief. So this time in SSFIV, we're making adjustments to avoid things like that.

-- But if we're talking about strong characters....

Okada:
If we just look at the effectiveness of his moves and his general abilities, Ryu was also considered to be pretty strong. We've made some general adjustments on Ryu as well, but probably the easiest to understand is that his strong and fierce Shoryuken have been changed from SFIV - they've gone from one hit to two. Those who have been playing Street Fighter games for a while probably already know this, but in SFII the Shoryuken was two hits. So now we feel as if we've come closer to the feel of that time.

-- How does the 2-Hit Shoryuken change things from the last game?


Okada:
If he doesn't get the full 2 hits, if only 1 hit connects on his opponent, the damage output is less than what it was in SFIV.

-- Does this mean you've nerfed the damage on the Shoryuken?

Tamamura:
I don't think you can really call it a nerfing. You can still use it as a poke/counter, and I think its easier to use in combos now, so we've adjusted it to make its proper use a bit easier.

-- What kind of adjustments have you made for the characters who are considered to be weak?

Okada:
In general, our weak characters are thought to be Vega and Guile. So of course, we've been making adjustments to buff them up. To give a specific example, we've increased the amount of hits Vega can take before he loses his claw. His claw has a lot of priority, so in SFIV in order to make it not too good we made it so that it came off fairly quick. But the players all responded that Vega was weak, and I think this is a big reason why. So this time, while also thinking about general balance, we've made the claw a lot more durable as compared to SFIV. And for Guile, in SFIV I felt that we didn't really capture his "footsies and normals" gameplay style, so we took a good look at that area and made adjustments.
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Re: Updates for SSF4

Post by pula on Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:02 pm

words words words...

Capcom!!! where are my Cammy clones, Karin and Ibuki ??

also Blair and Skullomanina

lol

hope they didnt hit the balancing button one to many times
and made the game unbalanced
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Re: Updates for SSF4

Post by ronin on Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:06 pm

no fighting game is perfect dude...
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Re: Updates for SSF4

Post by pula on Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:27 pm

holy shit is that Hugo at the background!!

also...

FFFFF yeah Ibuki!!

and full of dignity Dudley!
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Re: Updates for SSF4

Post by pula on Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:57 am

new characters trailer

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Re: Updates for SSF4

Post by ronin on Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:34 pm

i really want to believe that SF4 will be the cross-over of all SF characters from the very 1st to the latest challengers...
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Re: Updates for SSF4

Post by grungyboy on Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:54 am

An Article About Ibuki in SSF4:


The SF3 characters have finally been announced! This week, of the 3 new characters, I'd like to focus on Ibuki.

I'm sure everyone would like to hear more about her moves and what it took to get her in SFIV, so director Okada as well as the main battle planner will be joining me this time around.

So now let's meet the battle planner.

Sano:
Hello, I'm the planner Sano. I'm the type of old guy who wakes up early, goes to work, works until late, and then gets up early the very next morning (laughs). For the development of SSFIV, I'm particularly working on things relating to the battle, and character adjustments. Since I'm an old guy, you'll find rice crackers on top of my desk. Just give me rice crackers and tea and I'm in paradise.


-- First off, tell us the details of how Ibuki was added to the game.

Okada:
We've mentioned this several times before, but a basis of the SFIV series has been to celebrate 20 years of Street Fighter, by having a reunion of sorts. We were able to get Alpha characters in SFIV, so this time we wanted to give SF3 fans something, and as Ibuki was the most popular of the female characters she was decided on.

-- What do you think is Ibuki's charm?

Okada:
First, I think its her appearance. In other games we have cyber-ninjas, or ninjas in regular clothes - there are a lot of ninjas, but always with sort of a twist. Ibuki has the mask and the ninja outfit, so you know immediately that she's a ninja, and I think a lot of players really got in tune with that. Also, while she has this old-time ninja look, she herself is in the middle of her youth and is a girl of the current times, so that contrast is also appealing.

-- How do you bring out the feel of Ibuki in SSFIV?

Sano:
For Ibuki's moves, we didn't want players who used her in SF3 to feel that something was off, so we're making her playstyle as close to SF3 Ibuki as possible. Also, as Okada said, she's an orthodox ninja at first glance, but her character is one of a normal girl, so we are trying to bring out her feminine side in her lines and dialogue as well as in her proportions.


-- What has been retained from SF3?

Okada:
The most important thing is her playstyle and feel.

Sano:
Even though they are the same series, the systems of SFIV and SF3 are pretty different. So with the game's speed and timing, there are certain things that just have to change. But, for the players who have been playing since SF3, I think they have a natural feel for when to do a punch, kick, or special move - its ingrained into them. So we're making adjustments to try and preserve that feeling as much as possible.

Okada:
So we've given Ibuki a super jump. In SFIV, the only character who could super jump was C.Viper. It was necessary for putting together many of her combos, and I felt that was interesting. So for Ibuki, same as Viper, we're making adjustments for Ibuki to have combos that utilize the super jump.


-- Were there any difficulties in making Ibuki?

Sano:
She has the Kasumi Gake and the Tsuijigoe...The Kasumi Gake closes in on the opponent in an instant from afar, and the Tsuijigoe flies over their heads. But unlike other special moves, these moves don't actually attack. In SF3, if Ibuki used the Kasumi Gake or Tsuijigoe to get in close, afterwards if you could read what she was going to do you could fend it off with parry. But since there's no parry in SFIV, if Ibuki suddenly went from being full screen to in your face, that was a little hard to deal with. And with her target combos, if you ate a jab then you were going to be eating a lot of moves after that.

*Parry is a function that allows you to deflect your opponent's attacks by moving the stick from neutral to a forward position right before the attack hits.
*If you enter in the commands for specific normal attacks very quickly and in succession, you will be able to cancel the normals together into a combo.


-- That'd be pretty scary to fight against...

Sano:
At the beginning of development, we put in her target combos almost the same as they were in SF3. What happened is that if she got in close once, the match was pretty much over (laughs). So first off, we did a thorough tweaking of the distances of her moves like Kasumi Gake and Tsuijigoe. We re-did it over and over again, so we were really a lot of trouble for the motion director.

Tsukamoto:
No no, its because of things like that that the games becomes interesting, so they are necessary. There are plenty of areas where if one thing works then another won't. Achieving balance within the system also works this way.

Okada:
In SFIV we have the Focus Attack, which is sort of similar to parries, but as Focus only absorbs one hit, it loses badly to target combos. So for this game, finding a balance between target combos and the Focus system was our biggest worry.

-- How did you deal with target combos?

Sano:
There were a lot of things to worry about, but we eventually made them along the reasoning that they're not so much a combo as they are a special move. For example, for the Shoryuken in this game, with one command you get two hits, not withstanding whether it actually connects on the opponent. For Ibuki's target combo, in order to get the second hit you have to push the button a second time - that's the easiest way to think of it I believe. The damage of one hit is fairly small, but if you land the entire target combo you get the damage of a special move.

Okada:
Just from that, target combos might sound kind of weak. But unlike regular special moves, you can stop the target combo in the middle. So if your opponent has blocked up to the 2nd hit, you can not throw out the 3rd, look for an opening, and then start attacking again. This kind of usage will give you an advantage I think.

-- Were there any details put into her appearance?

Sano:
For appearance, it would have to be the "zanzou" (afterimage). For 3S characters, when they start moving quickly they leave an afterimage behind. In order to get this in SFIV our programmers and designers worked really hard.

Okada:
At the beginning of development, when we said we think we can make the afterimage happen, the staff was skeptical, wondering if it would make the processing too heavy. When you have a bunch of 3D models on the screen at once, it makes the processing burden really heavy and then things start to drop.

Sano:
We gave a lot of thought about how to make our ideal afterimages without putting too much burden on the game. The result is that in SSFIV, to get that ninja-like afterimage we've used effects. Our lead effects designer did his best to make it look like an afterimage without any feeling of it being odd, and I think it came out pretty good.

-- What's the move where we can get the best look at the afterimage?

Sano:
That would be the Kasumi Gake. We poured our blood and sweat into creating it, so if everyone can use this move a lot I'd be really happy (laughs).


-- Is there anything else you'd like us to pay attention to?

Okada:
Although her face is usually concealed by the mask, she really does show a lot of facial expressions, so if everyone would notice them I'd be really happy. Since you can't see all of her face, we tried to make it so that you could understand her faces of pain or joy just from the areas you can see above the mask. For other characters, if you could only see half their face you might not understand their expressions, but for Ibuki that area really needs to be feminine, especially from the side. So for the designers, she was probably the most difficult character to make.

Sano:
For the demos of Ibuki, even if we zoom in on her all we can see of her expressions is her eyes, so the facial adjustments for her took longer than the other characters. If I think about it now, I think the facial adjustment
time was about the same amount of time as we needed to adjust her moves (laughs). The designer would say "How about this?" and we'd look at it and say "Change this area!". We went back and forth like that up until the final deadlines.


Okada:
When she says her move names, you can't see her mouth, but her entire facial area is properly animated.

Sano:
Yes, we didn't slack off just because you don't get to see it. She has plenty of expressions, the same as the other characters!

-- What type of player do you think Ibuki is best suited for?

Okada:
Well, she's a character where you'll be plenty busy with inputs, so maybe I can recommend her to players who liked using C.Viper in SFIV, where execution is essential, or for those players who like characters with lots of options.

Sano:
For me, I think Ibuki is suited to those who want to get the most out of a single character - would you call it an inquiring mind? The more you use her, the more you'll find combos, and that's necessary for her. I think that aspect is fairly interesting.

-- Would you say she's more of an advanced character than one for beginners?

Sano:
Beginners can use her too, but if I had to pick I'd say she's suited for intermediate. The more you improve with her the more fun she becomes, and you also get stronger as well.

Okada:
The target combo requires rapid inputs, but the commands are simple enough to execute, so I don't think she's a character that beginners will hate. Even if you just give her a first try you can get some dynamic movements out of her, and before you know it you'll have her moving like a pro.

-- Do you have any tips for using Ibuki?

Okada:
As Ibuki is fast, you can use small movements to throw off your opponent and then attack them from there. Ibuki's strength lies in close quarters, so rush your opponent down without giving them the chance to attack back - I think that'll be what decides victory.

Sano:
From there, Ibuki's strength will lie in her target combos, so skillful use of those will make for a strong Ibuki. For example, take the infamous Sagat LOL Combo (Tiger Uppercut, FADC, F+RH, Ultra) - for opponents who are just looking to land that, it'll be easy to start reading their patterns. But for Ibuki, she has many different target combos, and she can say "Well, this this combo won't work then I'll go this route!". So she can dish out a lot of different target combos, and her opponents won't be able to read her as easily.

-- What characters would you like to see Ibuki match up against?

Sano:
If we're talking about movements, that would have to be Ibuki vs C.Viper. For both, their specials and execution are essential, so both will have to show off some tricky play. You thought you were going to pressure your opponent from the air but now you are on the receiving end - I feel like it would become a fiery battle like that.

Tsukamoto:
C.Viper has the Seismo Hammer, right? She has a lot of setups for it, getting you just at the right distance. So I wonder if this will be a difficult battle for Ibuki.


-- Do you have any thoughts for the players looking forward to Ibuki?

Sano:
First, please give Ibuki a try. I'd like for everyone to get an idea of how nice it is to use her. As was said before she's somewhat close to C.Viper, but more than Viper you get a more direct feel of her moves, so I hope you enjoy it.

Okada:
Ibuki is cute even at a first glance, so that might be what you focus on, but we've also put a lot of effort into her motions and her design, so please pay attention to her whole production. Please realize her charm, even behind the mask, while playing her.

Tsukamoto:
As this was a character that many people were waiting for, I tried to include a lot of images. Ibuki fans, did you enjoy it?

For various reasons, we couldn't show more skin around her pelvic bone, but I rather like the look of her costume. Her flowing hair is also a nice impression. So I hope you all use her at least here and there.
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Post by pula on Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:45 am

powder? lotion?

definitely OIL

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